{"id":8883,"date":"2011-11-29T10:29:00","date_gmt":"2011-11-29T16:29:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ishmaels.net\/blog\/?p=8883"},"modified":"2011-11-29T10:29:00","modified_gmt":"2011-11-29T16:29:00","slug":"the-rst-and-is-it-still-useful-or-even-used-properly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ishmaels.net\/blog\/2011\/11\/29\/the-rst-and-is-it-still-useful-or-even-used-properly\/","title":{"rendered":"THE RST and is it still useful or even used properly?"},"content":{"rendered":"

I truly have to agree.  I did a lot of PSK the past 4 days and it was obvious that the number system meant nothing\u2026 I tried to be fair but even then I was giving more than was there.   On the other hand several of my contacts started out very good and clear at about S9 then the QSB hit and the signal would drop to the noise and the trace would even disappear with only 50% (at best) print of the received QSO?    I know that I got a lot<\/strong> of 599 reports and am not sure that I was that strong.  although maybe I was as they all seemed to get the content<\/strong> of what I sent and I do not send all canned stuff (the macros are nice but I nearly always add something in to each one<\/strong>).  You can check<\/strong> my recent log here and see the RST that I got from almost all\u2026 but it will show<\/strong> I was not much better in giving\u2026 WD0AJG\u2019s  Recent LOGs<\/a><\/h4>\n

 <\/h4>\n

\"\" RST \u2013 meaningful or obsolete?<\/a><\/h4>\n

\"\" 29 November 2011 | by Larry W2LJ<\/a>  |  Share<\/a> |   |  Leave a Comment<\/a> (1<\/a>) <\/p>\n

There is an interesting discussion going on QRP-L with regards to the RST<\/strong> system<\/strong>.  Bruce Prior N7RR, who I respect tremendously, has come up with what he considers to be a new and better system<\/strong> \u2013 CSQ.  This would relate to Copyability, Signal Strength, and Quality of Signal. <\/p>\n

As a summary, this is his scale: <\/p>\n

CSQ<\/strong> Summary <\/p>\n

C or Copyability
N = no recoverable signal<\/strong>*
0 = discernible but not copyable*
1-9 ? 10% to 90% copy
G = Good<\/strong> 100% copy, but short of perfect
P = Perfect armchair 100% copy or full-quieting on FM<\/strong> <\/p>\n

S-Meter or Signal Strength
0 = no S-meter reading
1-9 = S-1 to S-9
A = 1 dB to 10 dB over S-9
B = 11 dB to 20 dB over S-9
C = 21 dB to 30 dB over S-9
D = 31 dB to 40 dB over S-9
E = 41 dB to 50 dB over S-9
F = 51 dB or more over S-9 <\/p>\n

Quality
X = characteristic steadiness of crystal (Xtal) control or eXcellent quality
R = AC Ripple or buzz in transmission
C = Chirp or tail on make and\/or break
K = key clicKs or other Keying transients
O = Overmodulation or Overdeviation in phone or digital modes <\/p>\n

* For Copyability reports of N or 0, no Signal Strength or Quality reports are needed. <\/p>\n

Examples:
P6O = for a PSK<\/strong>-31 signal<\/strong>: perfect 100% copy at S-6, but overdeviated
93X = for a CW signal<\/strong>: 90% copy at S-3 with excellent quality
G7O = for an SSB signal<\/strong>: Good<\/strong> but less than perfect 100% copy at S-7, but overmodulated
PAX = for an RTTY signal<\/strong>: perfect 100% copy about 10 dB over S-9 with excellent quality
P6X = for an FM<\/strong> signal<\/strong>: full-quieting 100% copy at S-6 with excellent quality <\/p>\n

I think Bruce is on to something<\/strong> as RST<\/strong> is abused more often than not.  While I try my best to give accurate RST<\/strong> reports, how many times have YOU gotten a 599, only to be asked for repeats?  One of the few reasons that I can think of asking for a repeat of a 599 signal<\/strong> is if the XYL asks you to pick up something<\/strong> from the grocery store while you\u2019re trying to copy!  For those of us who can\u2019t walk and chew gum at the same time, that can be a difficult task. Other than that, if you have to repeat, you\u2019re NOT 599. <\/p>\n

Bruce\u2019s system<\/strong> is more comprehensive; but also a lot<\/strong> more complicated.  I think the average Ham prefers the KISS quality of RST<\/strong>.  It\u2019s simple, easy and to the point. But the problem, as mentioned before, is that in a hot and heavy contest<\/strong> situation, RST<\/strong> is almost always abused.  599 in a regular contest<\/strong> or 559 in a QRP<\/strong> sprint is almost a given. <\/p>\n

So what can be used instead of either?  A serial number<\/strong>, ambient temperature of the operator\u2019s location, birth year of the operators? Or does it need to be changed at all, with the proviso that it be truthful?  Have contesters (myself included at times) gotten so lazy that RST<\/strong> has lost its meaning?  Or perhaps maybe the RST<\/strong> part should just be eliminated for all except rag chews? <\/p>\n

It\u2019s very commendable that Bruce is trying to come up with something<\/strong> new, better and more meaningful.  The bottom line, though, is that whatever system<\/strong> is devised, it has to be simple and easy enough to be used by a wide majority of Amateur Radio ops.  If it doesn\u2019t have that appeal and acceptance, then we\u2019re just spinning our wheels. <\/p>\n

72 de Larry W2LJ
QRP<\/strong> \u2013 When you care to send the very least! <\/p>\n

\"\" <\/p>\n

Larry Makoski, W2LJ<\/a>, is a regular contributor to AmateurRadio.com<\/strong> and writes from New<\/strong> Jersey<\/strong>, USA<\/strong>. Contact him at w2lj@arrl.net<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I truly have to agree.  I did a lot of PSK the past 4 days and it was obvious that the number system meant nothing\u2026 I tried to be fair but even then I was giving more than was there.   On the other hand several of my contacts started out very good and clear at about S9 then the QSB hit and the signal would drop to the noise and the trace would even disappear with only 50% (at best) print of the received QSO?    I know that I got a lot of 599 reports and am not sure that I was that strong.  although maybe I was as they all seemed to get the content of what I sent and I do not send <\/p>\n

“And Now the Rest of the Story – “THE RST and is it still useful or even used properly?<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-8883","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","odd"],"yoast_head":"\nTHE RST and is it still useful or even used properly? - And That 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