{"id":2059,"date":"2010-09-03T00:02:47","date_gmt":"2010-09-03T06:02:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ishmaels.net\/blog\/?p=2059"},"modified":"2010-09-03T00:02:47","modified_gmt":"2010-09-03T06:02:47","slug":"investing-did-you-ever-look-at-this-way","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ishmaels.net\/blog\/2010\/09\/03\/investing-did-you-ever-look-at-this-way\/","title":{"rendered":"Investing \u2013 did you ever look at it this way?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I copied this from an investment letter I read.  I had not really looked at it this way but following his numbers it is a real payout.  I fully agree that the Solar <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>stock<\/strong> (most all of them) are &#8220;wishful thinking&#8221; at present.  I would really like to do <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> and put in a replacement for some of the power we now have to buy, but economically it just does not pay out in my lifetime.  <\/p>\n<p>from the writer he states &#8220;I&#8217;ve found a <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> power investment that generates a tax-free, risk-free 13% <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>return<\/strong> on my money.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s not a <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> power <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>stock<\/strong>. Solar power stocks are mostly garbage. And it&#8217;s not a home-electricity <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>system<\/strong> that turns the sun&#8217;s rays into power. Those systems are not cost-competitive yet. <\/p>\n<p>Instead, I&#8217;m investing in a <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> power hot-<strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>water<\/strong> heater. My <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>system<\/strong> will <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>use<\/strong> the sun&#8217;s rays to produce hot water, which will accumulate in a storage tank. My family will <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>use<\/strong> this <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>water<\/strong> for taking showers, washing dishes, and so on. The <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>system<\/strong> will replace our standard electric hot-<strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>water<\/strong> heater in the garage. For cloudy days, the <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>system<\/strong> has a back-up electric element to <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>make<\/strong> sure we always have hot <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>water<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve run all the numbers. First, we get a 30% federal tax credit. So our <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>system<\/strong> will cost $3,600 instead of $5,000. Second, it&#8217;ll save us $40 a month on our power bill. That&#8217;s like an annual 13% tax-free <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>return<\/strong> on investment. Plus, the more power prices rise in the future, the higher our <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>return<\/strong> becomes. It&#8217;ll also add value to our house, as energy efficiency is a big selling point with homebuyers.<\/p>\n<p>In short, forget <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> power stocks and don&#8217;t touch <strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>solar<\/strong> home-electricity systems. But for a risk-free 13% return, consider adding a solar-power hot-<strong class='StrictlyAutoTagBold'>water<\/strong> heater to your house. 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