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WoW… This might make<\/strong> you just a little nervous about our economic situation? Is he (Geithner) just spouting the company line or really believes this bunk. According to this he was instrumental in the development of the problem and I would be he doesn’t run his own finances this way. – WD0AJG<\/p>\n

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TIM GEITHNER DOESN\u2019T GET IT<\/a><\/h2>\n

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by TPC<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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At least Ben Bernanke isn\u2019t the only person in government<\/strong> who doesn\u2019t really understand our monetary system.  Over the weekend Tim Geithner paraded himself all over the weekend talk shows while he proved that he barely deserved to pass econ 101.  That\u2019s right, the Secretary of the US Treasury doesn\u2019t get it.<\/p>\n

The interviews mostly began with Mr. Geithner distancing himself from the entire cause of this crisis.  Although he was effectively the fox in the hen house (he was President of the NY Fed while we experienced the grossest bank expansion\/leveraging experiment in the history of the world) Mr. Geithner continues to make<\/strong> it sound as if he was saddled with this problem and played no role in its cause:<\/p>\n

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“I, I think I disagree slightly in the sense that, you know, remember, this was a recession caused by a set of policies that left us with a $1.3 trillion deficit when the president came into office, an economy<\/strong> that was falling off the cliff. Millions of Americans had already lost their jobs. The recession was a year old at that point.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Mr. Geithner goes on to explain that there is no chance of a double dip (famous last words?).  He displays absolutely zero sense of risk<\/strong> management and prescience.  This shouldn\u2019t be surprising to anyone.  It is the tendency of government officials to adhere to the scientific method<\/a> \u2013 \u201clet\u2019s wait for the dust to settle before we make<\/strong> our next moves\u201d.   Unfortunately, that\u2019s not how markets work and it\u2019s certainly not how economies work.  Mr. Geithner is blindingly optimistic:<\/p>\n

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“MR. GREGORY: So just to be precise, you do not believe in a double-dip recession, that it will get worse before it gets better?<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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SEC\u2019Y GEITHNER: No, I don\u2019t. I think the most likely thing is, you see an economy<\/strong> that gradually strengthens over the next year or two, you see job growth start to come back again.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Mr. Geithner then goes on to explain how he totally misunderstands how a fiat currency system<\/strong> in a floating exchange system<\/strong> works.  It\u2019s 100% crystal clear that Geithner is living in his textbook gold standard world where the USA borrows money to finance spending – nothing could be farther from the truth<\/a>.  The Treasurer of the USA says we \u201cborrow\u201d to \u201cfinance\u201d our spending:<\/p>\n

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“I think this is a responsible way to do it. You know, my job, David, is to help make<\/strong> sure we can borrow to finance the obligations that Congress gives us.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Mr. Geithner then continues his rambling diatribe by offering up an explanation for why we can afford to continue borrowing and why interest rates are so low:<\/p>\n

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“David, we can afford to do it this way. I\u2019m completely confident we can. And if you look, again, at what we\u2019re paying to borrow now, we\u2019ve got very low interest rates as a country, in part because people around the world and Americans have a lot of confidence in our capacity as a country<\/strong> to make<\/strong> sure we manage through these challenges.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Of course we can afford it<\/a>.  We are the largest and most productive economy<\/strong> in the world.  There is enormous demand for our currency.  We have an output have you could drive a Mack Truck though.  We have Harvard graduates applying for jobs at Starbucks.  The amount of idle capacity is an outrage.  As a nation, we can always always afford to spend in the currency we create so long as there is a productive economy<\/strong> that backs that currency and the USA does not lose its ability to tax that productivity.<\/p>\n

Mr. Geithner believes interest rates are low because the risk<\/strong> of insolvency is low.  Of course the risk<\/strong> of insolvency is low in the USA \u2013 because there is no insolvency risk in the USA<\/a>.  Despite the ranting and raving of many market pundits in recent years a bet on US insolvency has been an absolute disaster.   Interest rates are low today because the market is worried that the USA is at risk<\/strong> of years of very low growth and below trend inflation rates.  Insolvency is not an issue, yet Mr. Geithner believes we need to cut the deficit so we can reassure the rest of the world:<\/p>\n

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“But we have to make<\/strong> some choices, too, and we have to make<\/strong> sure we can continue to earn confidence around the world that we\u2019re going to have the will as a country<\/strong> to bring these large inherited deficits down over time to a much more manageable level.  We think that\u2019s the responsible thing to do because we need to make<\/strong> sure we can show the world that (we\u2019re) willing as a country<\/strong> now to start to make<\/strong> some progress bringing down our long-term deficits.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

And we wonder why the economy<\/strong> in this country<\/strong> is such a mess after all this time?  Mr. Geithner has no clue how the system<\/strong> actually works.  If he did, he would have taken responsibility for his part in the crisis and never taken a job that is clearly well beyond his capabilities.  He would have never helped Ben Bernanke devise his great bank rescue plan<\/a> which has been an utter waste of government<\/strong> resources and failed on all levels (except making bankers more wealthy).<\/p>\n

Mr. Geithner might have sounded at least partially credible if he\u2019d spent more time talking about cutting wasteful spending as opposed to letting tax cuts expire (which is an effective tax hike – the last thing the debt saddled private sector needs right now).  But it\u2019s clear Mr. Geithner doesn\u2019t understand how a sovereign issuer of currency in a floating exchange system<\/strong> actually functions.  He\u2019s more worried about non-existent bond vigilantes and China as our banker (which they aren\u2019t).  Let’s just hope Geithner’s model isn’t as horribly flawed as Mr. Greenspan’s was<\/a>.  Unfortunately, the evidence leads me to believe it might even be worse….<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

WoW… This might make you just a little nervous about our economic situation? Is he (Geithner) just spouting the company line or really believes this bunk. According to this he was instrumental in the development of the problem and I would be he doesn’t run his own finances this way. – WD0AJG<\/p>\n

TIM GEITHNER DOESN\u2019T GET IT by TPC <\/p>\n

At least Ben Bernanke isn\u2019t the only person in government who doesn\u2019t really understand our monetary system.  Over the weekend Tim Geithner paraded himself all over the weekend talk shows while he proved that he barely deserved to pass econ 101.  That\u2019s right, the Secretary of the US Treasury doesn\u2019t get it.<\/p>\n

The interviews mostly began with Mr. Geithner distancing himself from the entire cause of this <\/p>\n

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